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Motormouth is a dedicated automotive channel hosted by Zack and Andrea Spencer, delivering insightful and engaging car reviews. The duo focuses on providing viewers with expert opinions and practical advice on a wide range of vehicles, from everyday commuters to luxury models.

Specializing in detailed analyses of SUVs, Motormouth's content frequently highlights top picks across various categories, including compact, luxury, and non-luxury crossovers. Their reviews often delve into significant cost considerations, such as the substantial expense of battery replacements, offering a comprehensive look at vehicle ownership.

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2022 BMW iX Review: Can You Get Past That Grille?

2022 BMW iX Review: Can You Get Past That Grille?

The 2022 BMW iX presents a bold, polarizing statement in the electric SUV market. Reviewers highlight its impressive performance, with the xDrive50 mo... del delivering 516 horsepower and brisk acceleration. The interior is praised for its modern, minimalist design, comfortable seating, and spaciousness, often compared to a "living room" or "minivan" in its layout and visibility. Standard features like adaptive air suspension and four-wheel steering are noted as significant advantages, enhancing maneuverability. However, the controversial grille design is a major point of contention, with one reviewer bluntly stating it "can't fix ugly." The brakes are described as "grabby" at low speeds, and the placement of cup holders is inconvenient. While the interior materials are generally well-received, the cost of optional features like the cloth interior and crystal accents is questioned, with a critique that basic features are now premium upgrades. The reviewer also questions the necessity of such a large battery for a single user, suggesting hybrids might be a more resource-efficient alternative. Despite the polarizing aesthetics and some ergonomic quirks, the iX is acknowledged as a comfortable, unique, and technologically advanced offering. less
Ford Mustang Mach-E GT Performance Review: The Mach-E To Get?

Ford Mustang Mach-E GT Performance Review: The Mach-E To Get?

The Ford Mustang Mach-E GT Performance Edition is lauded for its exhilarating speed and engaging driving dynamics, with the reviewer emphasizing that ... performance-minded drivers will not be disappointed. The adaptive MagneRide damping system and adaptive suspension are highlighted as key improvements, significantly enhancing handling and ride quality over previous models, though it still transmits road imperfections. The interior receives praise for its premium materials and comfortable, supportive ActiveX seats, though the lack of ventilated front seats and heated rear seats across all trims is noted as a drawback. The infotainment system, Sync 4A, is described as intuitive and excellent. While the GT Performance Edition offers a compelling package, its higher price point means it doesn't qualify for federal rebates, unlike lower trims. The reviewer suggests Ford should offer MagneRide on more trims and add desirable comfort features like ventilated seats. less
Hyundai Tucson VS Kia Sportage Comparison

Hyundai Tucson VS Kia Sportage Comparison

This comparison between the Kia Sportage and Hyundai Tucson highlights their shared platform and powertrains (gas, hybrid, PHEV) but distinct design p... hilosophies and feature packaging. The Sportage is praised for its sharp exterior, luxurious interior with a larger available dual-screen display, and a more generous feature set on its gas models, including ventilated seats and a power passenger seat, which are reserved for higher trims or hybrid/PHEV models on the Tucson. The Tucson, while also featuring modern styling, is noted for potentially pushing buyers towards its hybrid/PHEV variants to access certain desired features. Both vehicles offer comfortable rides and conventional automatic transmissions, a plus for many consumers. The Sportage ultimately edges out the Tucson for the reviewers due to its interior design and feature availability on gas models, though both are recognized for their improved reliability and appealing modern aesthetics. less
2022 BMW i4 Review: Does This Electric Still Feel Like a BMW?

2022 BMW i4 Review: Does This Electric Still Feel Like a BMW?

The 2022 BMW i4 eDrive 40 is reviewed as a compelling electric sedan that successfully captures the traditional BMW driving experience. Reviewers prai... se its precise steering, excellent handling, and the familiar sensation of a rear-wheel-drive BMW, making it feel like "home" for existing BMW enthusiasts. The powerful acceleration and smooth ride are highlighted as key strengths. However, the review notes a slight jerkiness when modulating the brakes at low speeds and criticizes the lack of physical buttons for climate controls, with functions now embedded in the large, albeit impressive, infotainment screen. The interior's standard leatherette seats are deemed firm, and while the exterior design is generally well-received, the large kidney grille remains a polarizing element. The reviewer also points out that while the base model is eligible for Canadian federal rebates, adding desirable packages can push the price over the threshold, diminishing the value proposition. Overall, the i4 is seen as a strong contender for those seeking an electrified sedan that doesn't compromise on BMW's core driving dynamics. less
All-New 2023 Kia Sportage vs. Updated 2022 Toyota RAV4 Comparison

All-New 2023 Kia Sportage vs. Updated 2022 Toyota RAV4 Comparison

This comparison pits the all-new 2023 Kia Sportage against the updated 2022 Toyota RAV4, evaluating their strengths and weaknesses across various aspe... cts. The Sportage is praised for its significantly more refined and quiet cabin, superior suspension that better absorbs bumps, and a more stylish, modern interior featuring a large dual-screen display. Its exterior design is also highlighted as bold and fashion-forward. The RAV4, while acknowledged for its rugged exterior and proven reliability, is criticized for a noisier engine under acceleration and a more industrial, less refined interior. Key advantages for the Sportage include more interior space, particularly in the second row, and a more upscale feel. The RAV4's main draw remains its established reputation for dependability and strong resale value. Both offer multiple powertrain options, but the Sportage's availability is noted as a potential advantage over the often backlogged RAV4 hybrids. less
All-New 2023 Kia Sportage Review

All-New 2023 Kia Sportage Review

The 2023 Kia Sportage receives a thorough review, highlighting its striking, albeit polarizing, exterior design and a significantly improved interior.... The reviewers praise the driving dynamics, noting a comfortable yet sporty ride with good steering feel, and are particularly impressed by the 8-speed automatic transmission, which they find more satisfying than a CVT. The spacious cabin, class-leading rear legroom, and ample cargo capacity are significant advantages. However, the review points out that wireless Apple CarPlay/Android Auto is not available on the larger touchscreen, and a power tailgate is reserved for higher trims, which might impact value perception. The comparison with the Hyundai Tucson and Toyota RAV4 suggests the Sportage offers a compelling package, especially for those prioritizing interior design and driving engagement, though the lack of a heat pump in the hybrid/PHEV models is a drawback for cold climates. less
2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid Review

2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid Review

The 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid receives a mild refresh, focusing primarily on cosmetic updates rather than mechanical enhancements. The XSE Hybrid model ... tested boasts a sporty aesthetic with new wheel designs and the attractive Calvary Blue color option. While the hybrid powertrain offers brisk acceleration and good fuel economy (averaging 41 MPG city / 38 MPG highway), the reviewers note it can become loud under hard acceleration, with the Tucson Hybrid being a quieter alternative. The interior is described as practical and durable but lacking in style and refinement, with a particular complaint about the manual passenger seat adjustment on the XSE trim, even when equipped with the more expensive technology package. Despite these criticisms, the RAV4 Hybrid is lauded for its excellent value, Toyota's proven reliability, and the low barrier to entry for hybrid technology, making it a compelling, albeit not segment-leading, choice in the compact SUV market. less
Toyota bZ4X VS Volkswagen ID.4 Comparison

Toyota bZ4X VS Volkswagen ID.4 Comparison

This comparison between the Toyota bZ4X and Volkswagen ID.4 highlights their strengths and weaknesses as electric SUVs. The bZ4X offers superior groun... d clearance (8.1 inches) and an advanced AWD system with X-Mode, making it more capable in varied conditions. Toyota also targets impressive battery longevity, aiming for 90% capacity after 10 years. However, it lacks some desirable features found in the ID.4, such as driver seat memory and a power passenger seat, and its charging speed is slower. The ID.4, conversely, provides more cargo space and second-row legroom, and generally offers more features for the price, including available massage seats and a faster charging capability. Volkswagen's infotainment system is noted as intuitive, though the lack of physical controls may be a drawback for some. Availability is a significant factor, with the ID.4 facing stock issues while Toyota's production capacity is also a concern. Ultimately, the choice hinges on priorities: Toyota for its SUV-like capabilities and battery longevity, or Volkswagen for its value, features, and potentially higher performance in AWD configurations. less
2023 Toyota bZ4X Full Review: The Toyota of Electric SUVs

2023 Toyota bZ4X Full Review: The Toyota of Electric SUVs

The Motormouth couple review the 2023 Toyota bZ4X, highlighting its spacious interior, comfortable ride, and Toyota's reputation for reliability ... and quality. They praise the exterior design, the intuitive infotainment system with physical buttons, and the innovative infrared leg warmers. However, they identify significant drawbacks, particularly concerning the pricing of higher trims and the omission of a power passenger seat and driver's seat memory across all trims. The lack of a rear wiper is also noted as a minor inconvenience. While acknowledging the bZ4X's strengths, especially the potential value of the lower trims when factoring in rebates, they suggest that competitors might offer more features for the price, though none carry the Toyota badge and its associated resale value. less
2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Review: Amazing Capability

2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Review: Amazing Capability

The 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee, particularly in its top-tier Summit Reserve trim, is lauded for its impressive capability and upscale interior, aiming t... o compete with luxury brands. Reviewers highlight its rugged yet classy exterior styling and a significantly improved interior fit and finish, rivaling German luxury SUVs. The vehicle offers multiple powertrain options, including a potent V8 and a plug-in hybrid 4xe, alongside advanced 4x4 systems and an available air suspension that enhances both comfort and off-road prowess, boasting excellent ground clearance and water-fording capabilities. However, criticisms include the firm and uncomfortable seats in the tested trim, an overabundance of piano black trim that easily shows fingerprints, and a preference for alternative interior wood or brushed aluminum finishes. While the Limited trim is suggested as the best value, the overall price can escalate quickly with options. Despite potential reliability concerns often associated with Stellantis brands, the Grand Cherokee is presented as a strong, capable, and stylish contender in its segment, though waiting a year for potential kinks to be ironed out is advised. less
2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Review: Living With The Ioniq 5

2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Review: Living With The Ioniq 5

The Motormouth couple provides an in-depth, week-long review of the 2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5, highlighting its unique futuristic design and spacious, eco-... friendly interior as major strengths. They praise the smooth, quiet ride and the flexibility of the regenerative braking system, noting it as a significant advantage over competitors like Tesla. However, the review points out several drawbacks: the infotainment system's lack of physical buttons for climate control and heated seats is a recurring frustration, requiring drivers to navigate through menus while moving. The reviewer also found the front passenger seat's reclining ottoman feature to be impractical and the screen placement slightly too far for easy reach. While acknowledging the impressive range figures, they note a potential 20-25% reduction in colder climates. The reviewer concludes that while the IONIQ 5 is a strong contender and close to their ideal EV, its high price, particularly for AWD models, remains a significant barrier, making it difficult to find the 'perfect' EV. less
Hyundai Ioniq 5 Vs Kia Ev6 Electric Car Comparison

Hyundai Ioniq 5 Vs Kia Ev6 Electric Car Comparison

This comparison review pits the Hyundai IONIQ 5 against the Kia EV6, highlighting their shared platform but distinct characteristics. Both vehicles of... fer RWD/AWD and Short/Long Range options with similar powertrain outputs and fast-charging capabilities (80% in 18 minutes). However, the EV6 generally boasts slightly more range due to its more aerodynamic design and lower weight. Interiorly, the IONIQ 5 offers a more open, airy cabin with a higher roofline and a sliding center console, while the EV6 provides a driver-focused cockpit with a lower roofline and a fixed console. The reviewers found the EV6's physical buttons for heated seats and steering wheel more convenient than the IONIQ 5's touchscreen controls, especially during cold weather. Both vehicles are praised for excellent suspension calibration, insulating occupants from rough roads. The IONIQ 5 offers more cargo space and rear-seat room, whereas the EV6 is noted for its sportier feel and sleeker exterior. Ultimately, the reviewers lean towards the EV6 for its interior ergonomics and sportier feel, though acknowledge the IONIQ 5's strengths in cabin spaciousness and design. less
2022 Kia EV6 Review: The Answer to High Gas Prices?

2022 Kia EV6 Review: The Answer to High Gas Prices?

The 2022 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range is reviewed as a sporty and futuristic electric crossover, though its premium pricing places it outside the af... fordable EV segment the reviewers are seeking. Key strengths highlighted include its engaging driving dynamics, particularly in Sport mode, and the intuitive interior design featuring physical buttons for climate and infotainment controls. The reviewers appreciate the premium interior materials and ample storage. However, criticisms include the lack of a rear wiper, the design of the flush door handles, and the high cost of the top trims, which push it beyond the federal rebate threshold in Canada. While offering significant rear legroom, its overall cargo space is noted as the smallest among its competitors. The reviewer's verdict leans towards it being more of a car than an SUV due to its low roofline and ground clearance, but acknowledges its successful blend of car-like driving with utility. less
2022 Volvo XC60 Review: Engine, Design and Infotainment Updates

2022 Volvo XC60 Review: Engine, Design and Infotainment Updates

The 2022 Volvo XC60 receives a mild refresh focusing on powertrain and infotainment updates. The new B5 and B6 mild-hybrid powertrains replace the T5 ... and T6, offering slightly less power but improved efficiency, though the reviewer notes the fuel economy gains are minimal. The interior remains a strong point, praised for its luxurious design and quality materials, with the updated Google-based infotainment system offering useful features like Google Maps and Assistant, despite a steep learning curve and the removal of AM radio. A significant drawback identified is the loss of easily accessible drive modes, now buried within the settings menu, which the reviewer considers a step back. Exterior changes are subtle. While the base B5 FWD is standard in the US, AWD and the more powerful B6 AWD are optional extras across trims. The reviewer highlights the comfortable, quiet ride and the appealing B6 engine, but criticizes the lack of drive modes and the absence of AM radio. Reliability concerns are also mentioned, with Volvo ranking low in recent dependability studies. less
Toyota Venza Hybrid VS Lexus NX350h Comparison. Battle of the Hybrids.

Toyota Venza Hybrid VS Lexus NX350h Comparison. Battle of the Hybrids.

This comparison pits the Toyota Venza hybrid against the Lexus NX350h hybrid, both premium compact SUVs sharing a common hybrid powertrain. The Venza,... particularly in its top Limited trim, offers a compelling value proposition with more interior space, a larger cargo area, and a fixed glass roof as standard. It boasts a larger 12.3-inch touchscreen and a more accessible price point for its features. However, the Lexus NX350h counters with a more powerful hybrid system (240 hp vs. 219 hp), a quieter cabin at lower speeds, and a more prestigious badge. The NX also offers desirable features like wireless Apple CarPlay/Android Auto, advanced safety assists, and optional heated rear seats, though these often come at a significant price increase through packages. While the Venza excels in practicality and features for the money, the NX offers a more refined, dynamic, and powerful driving experience, albeit at a higher cost, especially when opting for packages to match the Venza's feature set. The reviewer leans towards the Venza for its value and space, while acknowledging the NX's performance and premium appeal. less
2022 Lexus NX350h Hybrid Review

2022 Lexus NX350h Hybrid Review

The 2022 Lexus NX350h hybrid is presented as the "one to buy" within the NX lineup, offering a compelling blend of efficiency, smooth drivin... g dynamics, and premium features, particularly in its base configuration. Reviewers highlight its agile city maneuverability, quiet operation (especially with the 18-inch wheels and winter tires), and a significant power increase over the previous generation, attributed to a larger electric motor. The interior, while featuring high-quality NuLuxe seats and a functional 9.8-inch touchscreen, is criticized for excessive use of piano black trim, which is seen as a step back in luxury compared to the outgoing model. The reviewer strongly recommends the base model with the Premium package, citing it as the best value, and advises against the larger, more expensive packages unless specific features like the panoramic sunroof or 14-inch screen are essential. Despite its compact dimensions and smaller cargo space compared to competitors like the RAV4, the NX350h is praised for its overall pleasant driving experience and impressive fuel economy, making it a practical and desirable hybrid luxury SUV. less
Toyota RAV4 Prime VS New Hyundai Tucson PHEV Comparison Review

Toyota RAV4 Prime VS New Hyundai Tucson PHEV Comparison Review

This comparison review pits the 2022 Toyota RAV4 Prime against the 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV, highlighting their key differences in performance, featur... es, and value. The RAV4 Prime boasts superior power (302 hp) and a longer EV range (42 miles) thanks to its 18.1 kWh battery, while the Tucson PHEV offers a more comfortable and feature-rich interior, especially in its Canadian base model, which comes loaded with amenities. However, the Tucson's smaller 13.8 kWh battery results in less EV range and a lower federal rebate in Canada. The review notes the Tucson's quicker charging times and conventional automatic transmission as advantages over the RAV4's eCVT. Despite the Tucson's strong value proposition and interior appeal, the RAV4 Prime is praised for its proven reliability, better resale value, and higher EV range, making it a compelling, albeit harder-to-obtain, choice. Both vehicles face significant availability issues, with long waiting lists being the norm. less
All-New 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV: The Plug-in to Beat?

All-New 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV: The Plug-in to Beat?

The 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV is presented as a compelling plug-in hybrid SUV, offering significant value and a feature-rich experience, particularly i... n its top Canadian trim. Reviewers praise its smooth, quiet, and comfortable ride, noting its impressive EV mode performance that feels akin to a pure electric vehicle. The interior is highlighted as a strong point, with the larger touchscreen (though lacking wireless CarPlay/Android Auto on the top trim) and numerous standard features like heated/ventilated seats and a panoramic sunroof contributing to its premium feel. The spacious second-row and cargo area are also commended. However, drawbacks include the absence of wireless CarPlay/Android Auto on the larger screen, the push-button transmission, and the lack of a full-size spare tire. A key point of contention is its smaller battery size (13.8 kWh) compared to competitors like the RAV4 Prime, which limits its eligibility for the full federal EV rebate in Canada. Despite this, the Tucson PHEV is lauded for its competitive pricing, especially the US base model, and its overall package makes it a strong contender in the segment, potentially the one to beat. less
Top 5 Mid-Size, 3-Row, Non-Luxury SUVs of 2022

Top 5 Mid-Size, 3-Row, Non-Luxury SUVs of 2022

This video from Motormouth presents a compelling Top 5 list of non-luxury, mid-size, 3-row SUVs for 2022, with honorable mentions for the Dodge Durang... o and Volkswagen Atlas. The Durango is praised for its exceptional handling, powerful V8 option, and impressive towing capacity, despite its thirst for fuel. The Atlas is highlighted for its immense interior space, making it a great family hauler, though its average quality scores prevent it from the top ranks.

The ranked list begins with the Mazda CX-9 at number 5, lauded for its surprisingly agile handling and upscale interior on top trims, powered by a turbocharged four-cylinder. The Honda Pilot takes fourth place, recognized for its V6 power and space, but criticized for its aging design and lack of electrification. The Toyota Highlander secures third, offering both V6 and a highly efficient four-cylinder hybrid option, though its touchscreen and seating configurations are noted as areas for improvement.

The Hyundai Palisade is the runner-up at number 2, praised for its bold styling, luxurious interior, and strong V6 performance, offering good value and tech. The top spot is awarded to the Kia Telluride, the Palisade's sibling, which excels in packaging, styling, and standard features, offering more value out-of-the-box. Both the Palisade and Telluride are noted for their spaciousness and comfortable driving dynamics, though the Telluride's rugged aesthetic and comprehensive standard features edge it out as the preferred choice for the reviewers. less
2022 Mercedes EQS Review: The S-Class of Electric Cars

2022 Mercedes EQS Review: The S-Class of Electric Cars

The 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS is presented as the S-Class of electric vehicles, blending traditional luxury with cutting-edge EV technology. Reviewers hi... ghlight its exceptionally quiet and smooth ride, impressive acceleration, and advanced features like the MBUX Hyperscreen, which, while visually stunning, is noted for its complexity. The car's aerodynamic design, boasting a drag coefficient of 0.20, is praised for maximizing range, though its styling is acknowledged as controversial. Positives include the standard AWD, responsive rear-wheel steering, and the high-quality Burmester sound system. Areas for improvement identified are the soft and imprecise brakes and the firm, less comfortable rear seats, which lack recline functionality and have short seat bottoms. Despite these drawbacks, the EQS is seen as a strong contender for traditional luxury buyers seeking an electric alternative, offering a familiar Mercedes-Benz experience within a futuristic package. less
Mitsubishi Outlander VS Volkswagen Tiguan Comparison

Mitsubishi Outlander VS Volkswagen Tiguan Comparison

This comparison pits the 2022 Mitsubishi Outlander against the Volkswagen Tiguan, highlighting their unique positions as compact SUVs offering optiona... l or standard third-row seating. The Outlander is praised for its significantly improved interior, which won an award for its design and quietness, and its overall cargo capacity. While the Tiguan offers a more engaging, European driving feel with a turbocharged engine providing better torque for city driving, the Outlander provides a smoother, more comfortable ride. The Outlander's continuously variable transmission (CVT) is noted as a potential drawback for some, contrasting with the Tiguan's conventional 8-speed automatic. The Outlander also boasts a higher towing capacity and better fuel economy. The review suggests the upcoming Outlander PHEV could be a strong contender, especially with its larger battery capacity. Ultimately, the Outlander is presented as offering more value, particularly in its standard seven-passenger configuration and superior interior quality, making it a compelling choice for families prioritizing comfort and space. less
2022 Lexus RX450h Review: Better Buy Than Lexus NX?

2022 Lexus RX450h Review: Better Buy Than Lexus NX?

The 2022 Lexus RX450h Executive is presented as a traditional luxury hybrid SUV, emphasizing a smooth, refined, and relaxed driving experience. Review... ers highlight its powerful V6 hybrid powertrain, delivering a combined 308 horsepower, and excellent fuel economy, making it a compelling alternative to newer, four-cylinder hybrids. Positives include the comfortable ride, spacious interior for families (especially compared to the NX), elegant design, and the availability of premium features on the Executive trim. However, significant drawbacks are noted: the polarizing and oversized spindle grille, limited cargo space for its class, and a universally disliked trackpad infotainment controller. While the touchscreen is present, its placement and integration with the trackpad are criticized. The reviewer suggests that for those prioritizing new tech, the NX might be preferable, but for space and the V6 hybrid, the RX remains a strong contender, especially given its strong resale value. less
Toyota RAV4 Prime VS Volkswagen ID 4 Comparison

Toyota RAV4 Prime VS Volkswagen ID 4 Comparison

This comparison pits the Toyota RAV4 Prime plug-in hybrid against the Volkswagen ID.4 electric vehicle, highlighting their strengths and weaknesses fo... r consumers transitioning to electrified driving. The RAV4 Prime is praised for its practicality, rugged design, and the flexibility of its hybrid system, offering a familiar driving experience with the option of electric-only travel for shorter distances. Its intuitive interior with physical controls is seen as a plus for many. The ID.4, conversely, is lauded for its modern, sleek design and futuristic interior, aiming for a seamless transition from gasoline cars to EVs. However, its reliance on touch controls and the lack of certain features like ventilated seats (in US models) are noted drawbacks. While the ID.4 offers superior EV range, the RAV4 Prime's PHEV nature provides a safety net for longer trips or areas with less charging infrastructure. Ultimately, the choice hinges on the buyer's readiness for full EV adoption versus the convenience of a plug-in hybrid. less
Toyota RAV4 VS Volkswagen Tiguan Comparison

Toyota RAV4 VS Volkswagen Tiguan Comparison

This comparison pits the Toyota RAV4 against the updated Volkswagen Tiguan, focusing on their gasoline-powered variants. The RAV4, a segment best-sell... er, is praised for its reliability, durability, and strong resale value, offering a utilitarian yet versatile interior. However, its interior design is considered dated, and it lacks some modern features like wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. The Tiguan, on the other hand, impresses with a significantly improved and more refined powertrain, a more engaging driving experience, and a modern, sophisticated interior with better materials and available two-tone leather. It also offers more cargo space and a more advanced digital cockpit. While the Tiguan's driving dynamics and interior are preferred by the reviewers, concerns remain about its long-term reliability and higher maintenance costs compared to the RAV4. The RAV4's advantage lies in its powertrain options, including hybrid and PHEV variants, which the Tiguan lacks in North America. Ultimately, while the Tiguan offers a more compelling driving and interior experience, the RAV4 remains the logical choice for many due to its proven reliability and value retention. less